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Ramsch, auch Rams, Rammes und in Ostdeutschland früher auch „Mike“ genannt, ist eine Spielvariante bei den Kartenspielen Skat und Schafkopf, sowie ein selbständiges Kartenspiel mit eigenen Regeln, das zwischen 2 und 6 Personen mit deutschen. Wann wird Ramsch gespielt? Will keiner der drei Spieler ein Skatspiel wagen, wird nach offiziellen Skatregeln eingepasst und anschließend das nächste Spiel. Ein weiteres Spiel beim Kneipenskat ist der Ramsch. Hier ändert sich die Spielphilosophie grundlegend. Jeder Spieler spielt für sich und versucht keinen Stich. Ramsch, auch Rams, Rammes und in Ostdeutschland früher auch „Mike“ genannt, ist eine Spielvariante bei den Kartenspielen Skat und Schafkopf, sowie ein. Dieser drückt wieder zwei Karten und das Ramschspiel beginnt. Das Ramsch-Spiel folgt dabei den Regeln eines normalen Grand beim Skat, d. h. nur die Buben.
Eine Variante des Kartenspiels Ramsch, die häufig als Sonderspiel beim Skatspiel Man spielt es häufig als Sonderspiel beim Skat, es funktioniert aber als. Eine der Variante von Skat- und Schafkopfspielen ist Ramsch. Unsere Internetseite bietet euch eine informative Beschreibung der Spielregeln und wie man. Ramsch, auch Rams, Rammes und in Ostdeutschland früher auch „Mike“ genannt, ist eine Spielvariante bei den Kartenspielen Skat und Schafkopf, sowie ein.
For example if hearts are trumps, the jack of clubs is the highest heart , and has nothing whatever to do with the club suit. A trick is won by the highest card of the suit led, unless it contains a trump, in which case the highest trump wins it.
The winner of a trick leads to the next. If you are declarer in a Suit or Grand game you win if the cards in your tricks plus the skat contain at least 61 card points.
The opponents win if their combined tricks contain at least 60 card points. If the declarer's opponents take 30 points or fewer in tricks, they are Schneider.
If they take 31 or more they are said to be out of Scheider. If they take no tricks at all, they are Schwarz. The same applies to the declarer - as declarer, you are Schneider if you win 30 card points or less including the skat, and Schwarz if you lose every trick.
Note that Schwarz depends on tricks not points - if a side wins just one trick and it has no card points in it, that is sufficient to get them out of Schwarz.
If you are declarer in Null or Null Ouvert , you win the game if you manage to lose every trick. If you take a trick, you have lost and the play of the hand ceases at that point.
If you are declarer in an Open Ouvert contract - i. Play then proceeds normally, and you play from your exposed hand.
The opponents are not allowed to discuss tactics. The value of a Suit or Grand contract is obtained by multiplying together two numbers: the base value and the multiplier.
The base value depends on the trump suit as follows:. Open contracts are extremely rare: you can only play open if you did not look at the skat and you also undertake to win every trick.
By implication, an open contract includes announcements of Schneider and Schwarz,so you count: matadors, game, Hand, Schneider, Schneider announced, Schwarz, Schwarz announced, and Open.
The jack of clubs and any top trumps in unbroken sequence with it are called matadors. If as declarer you have such a sequence in your original hand plus the skat, you are with that number of matadors.
If there is such a sequence in the opponents' combined hands, declarer is against that number of matadors. Note that for the purposes of matadors, cards in the skat count as part of declarer's hand, even though in a Hand game declarer does not know what is in the skat when choosing the game.
The game multiplier is always counted, whether declarer wins or loses. The calculation of the value of a game sounds something like this: "with 2, game 3, Schneider 4, 4 times spades is 44".
The declarer must always be with or against at least one matador the jack of clubs must be somewhere , so the smallest possible multiplier is 2, and the smallest possible game value and the lowest possible bid is These are easy to score.
Each possible Null contract has a fixed value unaffected by multipliers. As with all contracts, an unsuccessful declarer loses twice the value of the game.
The Null values are:. These rather eccentric looking numbers are chosen to fit between the other contract values, each being slightly below a multiple of Before the rule change of 1st Jan , Null Hand cost only 35 when lost and Null Ouvert Hand cost only 59 - see scoring variations.
If declarer wins the game and the value of the game is as least as much as the bid, then the value of the game is added to the declarer's cumulative score.
If the declarer loses the game and the value of the game is as least as much as the bid, then twice the value of the game is subtracted from the declarer's score.
If the value of the declarer's game turns out to be less than the bid then the declarer automatically loses - it does not matter how many card points were taken.
The amount subtracted from the declarer's score is twice the least multiple of the base value of the game actually played which would have fulfilled the bid.
Note that the above are the official rules as from 1st January Before then, scores for lost games played from the hand were not doubled see scoring variations.
If as declarer you announce Schneider but take less than 90 card points, or if you announce Schwarz or Open and lose a trick, you lose, counting all the multipliers you would have won if you had succeeded.
This should normally be worth 48 game points "against 2, game 3, hand 4, 4 time clubs is 48". Rearhand has a Null Ouvert and bids up to 46, to which M says yes.
M plays clubs hand and takes 74 card points including the skat cards , but unfortunately the skat contains J, Q.
M is therefore with 1 matador not against 2 as expected , and the game is worth only 36 "with 1, game 2, hand 3 times clubs" , which is less than the bid.
M therefore loses 96 game points twice the 48 points which would be the minimum value in clubs which would fulfill the bid. Had M taken say 95 card points, the Schneider multiplier would have increased the value of the game to 48 "with 1, game 2, hand 3, schneider 4 times clubs" and M would have won 48 game points.
It is unusual, but occasionally happens that the declarer in a suit or Grand contract takes 30 card points or fewer.
In this case the opponents have made the declarer Schneider, and the Schneider multiplier applies. In the practically unknown but theoretically possible case where the declarer in a suit or Grand contract loses every trick, the Schneider and Schwarz multipliers would both be counted.
Example: the declarer plays spades without 2 and takes 28 card points. Result: without 2, game 3, schneider 4.
Normally a running total of each player's score is kept on paper. At the end of a session to be fair, each player should have dealt an equal number of times , the players settle up according to the differences between their scores.
Between each pair of players, the one with the lower score pays the one with the higher score the difference in their scores multiplied by the stake.
Example : A , B and C are playing for 5 Pfennig a point. A side effect of the method of scoring is that if there are four players at the table, the dealer of a hand is effectively against the declarer, winning or losing the same as the declarer's opponents.
In tournaments organised by the Deutscher Skatverband , the game is played with four players at each table with dealer sitting out of each hand wherever possible.
A session generally consists of 48 deals. A small number of three-player tables may be formed if necessary, depending on the number of players in the tournament; at these table 36 deals are played.
The scoring is modified somewhat to reduce the difference in value between the different contracts. At the end of the session, the following additional scores are calculated:.
In an improvement in scoring at 4-player tables was suggested, by which when a contract is lost the declarer loses an extra 50 points as usual , and the two active opponents each gain 40 points instead of 30 ; with this scoring the inactive dealer at a 4-player table does not gain points when a contract is defeated.
This variation is very widely played in social games. Either opponent of the declarer, at any time before they play their card to the first trick, may say kontra.
This doubles the score for the contract, whether won or lost. The declarer may immediately answer with rekontra , which doubles the score again.
Note that it is the score that is doubled, not the value of the contract. For example suppose I bid up to 20, look at the skat, and play in diamonds.
I am only with one matador, but am hoping to make the opponents schneider. One of the opponents says Kontra, and in the play I win 85 card points.
As I am with 1, the game value is 18, so I have overbid the Kontra does not affect this. So I lose based on the lowest multiple of diamonds which would have been sufficient, namely I lose double because I looked at the skat and the score is doubled again for the Kontra, so I lose game points altogether.
There is some variation as to when Kontra and Rekontra can be said. Some play that Kontra can only be said before the first lead and a declarer who is Forehand must wait before leading to give the opponents an opportunity to Kontra.
A variation occasionally met with is that you are not allowed to Kontra if you passed an opportunity to bid 18 or say yes to A will not now be allowed to kontra B 's contract, because A failed to say yes to B 's 18 bid.
On the other hand, C can Kontra, because C would have had to say at least 20 to enter the bidding - C never had an opportunity to bid The thinking behind this variation is that a player with a good hand should bid - they should not be allowed to pass and lie in wait, ready to Kontra another player.
This is also very widely played. If Middlehand and Rearhand pass, and Forehand also does not want to play a contract, the cards are not thrown in, but a game of Ramsch is played.
Ramsch can be thought of as a punishment for a player who does not bid with good cards. The rank and value of the cards is the same as in Grand, but the object is to avoid taking card points.
Players keep their tricks individually, and whoever takes the most card points loses. There are many varieties of Ramsch.
The players need to agree in advance on the following rules:. If you like playing Ramsch, it is possible to play it as a game in its own right.
That is, you just play Ramsch on every hand. See the Schieberamsch page for a description of how this works. A Bockround is a round i.
Note that this doubling only affects the final scores on the scoresheet; the bids and game values are unaffected. It is usual to play a Bockround after some special event; the events which cause a Bockround should be agreed before the game.
Possibilities are:. Some people like to play a round of compulsory Ramsch after each Bockround, or after every third Bockround.
Ramschrounds are played according to the rules of Schieberamsch , including the possibility of playing Grand Hand. A Ramschround consists of as many hands of Ramsch as there are players; a Grand Hand does not count towards completing the Ramschround, and after a Grand Hand the same player deals again.
If the opponents decide at the start of the play that they cannot defeat the declarer, they can give up schenken. If the declarer accepts, the score is as though the game was won simply i.
The declarer can insist on playing on, but in that case has to make the opponents Schneider to win.
The score in this case is as for an announced Schneider but without the hand multiplier if it is not a hand game.
If the declarer goes on the opponents can schenken again, giving the declarer the Schneider. The declarer can accept Schneider or insist on playing on for Schwarz.
The normal way of giving up is for one opponent to say "schenken". The other then either agrees, in which case they are offering to give up, or disagrees, in which case play continues as though nothing had happened.
There are some tricky ethical problems about this variation for which as far as I know there are no standard answers , for example:.
Some people play that if the bid is 18 and the contract is diamonds, or the bid is 20 and the contract is diamonds or hearts, then the hand is automatically conceded by the opponents and won simply by the declarer, unless the opponents Kontra or the declarer makes some additional announcement such as open or Spitze.
As it is mostly a negative game, it looks like a cross between Skat and Hearts , but in practice it feels significantly different from either.
The remaining cards comprise 4 plain suits, in each of which the cards rank A highest , T, K, Q, 9, 8, 7 lowest.
Deal and play are clockwise. Dealer shuffles, dealer's right hand opponent cuts, then the cards are dealt face down as follows: a batch of 3 to each player; 2 face down in the middle skat ; 4 to each; 3 to each.
First each player in turn, starting with the player to dealer's left known as Forehand , has the chance to announce Grand Hand the same game as in Skat - see below.
If anyone does this the Grand Hand is played and then the same dealer deals again. If non one wants to play Grand Hand, the Schieberamsch begins.
Forehand may pick up the two cards of the skat, and discard any two cards possibly the same ones to form a new skat. The next player may then pick up these cards and discard two, and finally the dealer may do the same.
Instead of picking up the skat, any player may pass the skat on unseen. This doubles the score for the hand each time it happens so if all three players pass on, the score is multiplied by 8.
After dealer has discarded or passed on , Forehand leads to the first trick. Players must follow suit when possible when a jack is led, jacks must be followed.
A player with no card of the suit led is free to trump or discard. A trick is won by the highest card of the suit led, unless it contains a trump, in which case the highest trump wins.
The winner of a trick leads to the next. The cards in the skat are given to the winner of the last trick. If one player took no tricks, then whichever of the others took more card points scores double that number.
A player who takes no tricks is known as a virgin Jungfer. But if two players took no tricks, the player who managed to take all the tricks scores minus Yes, minus - taking all the tricks Durchmarsch is good.
If at the start of the hand anyone passed on the skat without looking, the above mentioned score is doubled once for each time that happened.
In writing down the score, all scores are divided by 10 with fractions rounded down i. Example: A and B pass on; C looks.
A takes no tricks; B takes 7 points, C takes Play continues for any number of deals. At the end each pair of players settle up in money, according to the differences between their scores.
If a player announces Grand Hand, the skat is not used, and that player becomes the soloist for that hand, with the other two forming a partnership.
The rules of play are the same as in a normal Schieberamsch, but in Grand Hand the value of the two skat cards counts for the soloist not the winner of the last trick.
The soloist has to take more than half the card points i. Otherwise, with 60 or fewer points, the soloist gets a positive score. Before playing to the first trick, either opponent can say Kontra, which doubles the score for the game.
If this happens the soloist can reply Rekontra, which doubles it again. The scoring of Grand Hand which is derived from the game Skat is slightly elaborate.
The "base value" is 24 and this is multiplied by a multiplier consisting of the following elements:. Matadors are the number of jacks in sequence, starting from the CJ, which were in the soloist's original hand plus the skat "with" or were in the opponents' combined original hands "without".
The base value of 24 is multiplied by the total applicable multiplier, doubled or redoubled for Kontra or Rekontra if applicable, and then divided by 10 and rounded down as before.